0 thoughts on “Haringey parking plans

  1. I think intervention from you is crucial in this process. From what i saw in the original plans the CPZ was more or less 100% negative for residents and a cash cow for the council. There is no incentive for them to involve those who may disagree and certainly they aren’t going to let go of a money spinner in a hurry, whether the residents like it for not. If you are a resident, you already pay (high) council tax and if you are a car user, you pay road tax- should you pay a third tax? The controls are also ridiculous, who only have 15 visitors per year?We recently visited an area with a CPZ, for personal reasons we had to drive and we car-shared with another couple. We drove a circuit of the neighbouring streets 3 times before we could park and then it was in a pay and display far away from the friends we were visiting.Most of the streets in the original plans do not have major parking issues and i have yet to come across a resident who is a supporter of CPZ. We need to keep up the pressure and you are a big part of that.

  2. Dear LynneYou say you’ve yet to come across a resident in favour of a CPZ. You must be forgetting the letter we copied you into, and which you acknowledged, from Passmore Edwards Neighbourhood Watch to Cllr Haley recently. As well as querying the consultation process, we also set out reasons why residents in our roads in Bounds Green are strongly in favour of a CPZ due to commuter parking. I agree entirely that the consulatation process has been shambolic, but this does not detract from the fact that many residents do have significant parking problems – something the Lib Dems don’t seem to want to acknowledge. Paying £25 a year is far preferable to our current situation. I understand that CPZs won’t be favoured by all residents but for some they are a solution to a significant problem.

  3. I don’t understand the comment from Sue Freeman. The piece doesn’t say that she hasn’t heard anyone in favour of CPZs. Why exagerate for effect?It’s a real shame that people (on both sides) in parking arguments seem almost always to go over-the-top in the rhetoric to make their case rather than trying to persuade and work with other people.

  4. Each street has its own problems and some, like mine in Rectory Gardens, could have a case FOR CPZ. In this street, the overspill of cars parking for Hornsey High Street and St Mary’s School often means that residents cannot park near their homes. For the cost equivalent to 5 gallons of petrol per year, CPZ could stop that problem.

  5. I think the CPZ argument has its merits;stopping the school rat run with their annoying jeeps and people wagon, not to mention their irritating attitude …but also WHY should residents HAVE to pay. Imposing CPZ is one thing, expecting residents of Haringey to pay in addition to the ridicolous sum we pay in council taxis quite another. Also the restrictions should be time banded to avoid people people parking and leaving -Restrictions should not prohibit friends and visitors to ones home.

  6. In my road near to Highgate tube the council started in 2003 trying to persuade us that parking issues were caused by commuters but this just isn’t so; it is easy to park during the week days and impossible when residents are at home late evenings and particularly Sunday nights. It gets so bad that I am really worried if I know I’ll return after 4pm on a Sunday – particularly with my cats in the car to unload. Anyway, the point is the problem is the residents cars and they will still all have the right to park. So putting a CPZ in won’t help; just a waste of everyone’s money. Just leave us alone I say. I’ve lived here for over 10 years and it’s only since other bordering CPZs were put in that I have ever had to park other than on my block. It’s not rocket science to see that CPZs cause parking problems in many cases.

  7. I live on the edge of Highgate Station CPZ, and like Barry, I also have major problems parking in the street where I live during the week owing to commuter parking. You can hardly blame the commuters – who would want to turn-down free, unrestricted all-day parking which is only a 5-minute walk from Highgate tube? I would like to know who at Haringey Council dreamt up this shambles!

  8. I live on nightingale lane near hornsey high street. i agree with Jal, the worst time to park is in the evenings and at weekends. although, i do understand where Barry and Nicola are coming from but feel that CPZ’s solve no problems – just move them on to the next area. the more CPZ’s we have the more we apparently need. But, what i really do not understand is that cars have been an increasingly essential part of many peoples lives for a good number of decades now yet it appears that very little thought has been put into increasing parking. CPZ’s reduce the number of parking spaces because they prevent people from being naughty and parking close to corners.

  9. CPZ or no CPZ we need more parking spaces. On Hornsey Lane Gardens, anyone arriving after about 8pm has to park on the pavement on a corner and shift the car to a space in the morning. It’s just not right, aren’t the council meant to serve the residents who fund them?

  10. you should try living on Greenham Road!!!! we have no parking controls at all on a very long and narrow street. People park on both sides and there is barely room for one car. Drivers race down the road to get to the other end. Drvers and residents have daily arguments and some physical fights out in the street. we have a daily rat run and cars from the A406 cutting through along our street. We have a garage in our street that parks cars freely in the road and work until 9 and 10 at night… why live here at all? when my kids leave school we will leave too..We cannot stand living in an urban nightmare for much longer,, shall we blockadethestreets like they did in Camden??

  11. Sue – if you look you will see that the comment about there not being anyone in favour of CPZs does not come from me – but from someone posting a comment to my blog. I don’t believe in blanket right or wrong answers on CPZs for all times and all places. Sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’ve bad – you have to look at a particular situation, listen to people and make a judgement.Their beneficial or detrimental effect is dependent on proper analysis of parking stress, sensitive design in terms of addressing the needs of the various users of the area, proper consultation and so on. Even where CPZs are the right answer, they don’t magic up more parking space. That is one of the reasons I have always campaigned so hard to improve public transport – because there has to be viable alternatives to a car if we are to persuade people to use them less.

  12. Viable alternatives to the car. Hmm.OK – so what you don’t do is catch the bus or tube. Not as much as you’d probably like us to, anyway, Lynne.Why? Because, even with an Oyster card, the tickets are you’re-having-a-laugh-expensive.I’m sure worthy senior quango people, GLA people etc probably think nothing of taking themselves and their families on the bus or tube.And, if you are on a nice TFL or GLA earner or pass, I’m sure the tickets look remarkably cheap. But not to the rest of us (and there are still just a few of us left, outside the chamed public sector).It now costs over £12 to take a 4 person family into London and back on the Northern line. And then of course the train may never get you there (or back). Catch the bus a few stops from Muswell Hill to the tube and you’re looking at more like £20 return. Laughable.No wonder Ken wants to increase the congestion charge. Because at these crazy fares, the average punter cannot afford NOT TO drive their family into london. That is the sad reality.The only way to make public transport attractive is to CUT THE FARES and make the service run properly. I fear Ken has forgotten this self-evident truth. He is not making it easy enough for us all to save the planet. His place in history now seem assured as a latter day Dick Turpin. Or perhaps as a Sheriff of Nottingham.In his high office he may well have lost touch with the real value of money.The profits of the tube/bus operating companies should be REGULATED and the services centrally subsidised. Ken needs to get his slippery fingers out of us ordinary Londoners’ pockets and get stuck into Gordos wad instead. TFL’s LUDICROUSLY HIGH fares must be seen for what they in fact are: a direct tax on our only two carbon efficient mass transportation systems.Cheers.

  13. I can see both sides of the argument on CPZs. Some are complaining about commuters parking. Surely encouraging commuters to take public transport even if they drive part of the way is preferable to them driving all the way. Personally I’d prefer public transport. For health reasons I cannot take the Tube and am reliant on buses. Since a couple of CPZs have come into existence my journey time has gone up from 40 mins to 1hour and 15minutes! Snd I still have to drive part of the way. Surely the best way around parking problems, if commuters are the cause, is providing ever more and better public transport options!

  14. Anonymous – you are right. We need better public transport systems. Better = cheaper.Lots of people can travel at no or low cost, but there are surely grounds for subsidising the base prices to convince people to get out of their cars.There have to be some carrots (as well as sticks)if there is to be willing change.

  15. I note that not one comment deals with the problems of the disabled, whether wheelchair bound, walking, working or OAPs. There should be a survey of the number of blue badges issued by the borough of Haringey, the number of blue badge parking places set aside, where and for how long, and an estimate of how many spaces are needed to provide for disabled shopping, visits to council offices, surgeries, opticians, etc. I. de Madariaga

  16. When will the council take on board that NOBODY IN HARINGEY WANTS THESE CPZs. Theya re wasting their time and our money on this useless pursuit in the same way they wastied time and money 6 years ago attempting to install a CPZ in Bounds Green – only to abandon it at the last minute when much of the money had already been spent painting the lines. I don’t trust Haringey to do anything corrrectly other than to make a mess.david@simmondsresearch.com

  17. Haringey put CPZs in place because that is what THEY like to do.It is not really resident driven. The Highgate CPZ was fought against bitterly by many more residents than the few that clearly wanted the scheme.Here, there were a few difficult streets where the majority did want it. Haringey then “consulted” on the adjacent streets, and if they found a couple of takers that was enough. I am sure it was not democratically balloted, or if it was I suspect it was rigged.Most days now there are loads of empty parking places in Highgate.We might all be less cynical if Haringey was willing to GIVE RESIDENTS free permits (and a book of free vouchers so friends can easily visit).This would prove that the thing was not really just a wheel clampers ticketing charter.And why should they demand to see my driving licence before giving me a permit?I note that they don’t demand to see my passport before billing me the council tax.They could send residents a permit along with the yearly tax bill. Then we might feel like we were dealing with an organisation that actually cared about the local resident – as opposed to fleeced them.Sadly, our local Lib Dem councillors were not really anti CPZ. Perhaps they will now get behind a campaign for FREE residents permits instead?

  18. I cannot afford to pay to park. I’m on a low incomeI have to buy very cheap old cars. I know for a fact that in Queens avenue the cars that park from 6pm till 8am are local residents cars. Thats the time when its even harder to park so its not school runs or visitors or shoppers cars. Its our cars, people that live here. We need to be able to park diagonally on one side of this particularly wide road and white boxes painted so that people park less selfishly. But i guess thats to logical and the council wont make more money out of us. BTW public transport is a joke new buses are poorly designed. Its over crowded and you risk the venom of violence from pumped up youths that are allowed to carry knives these days. I personally am making plans to leave England as soon as I can. Its a dying country. nuff said

  19. To the person talking about public transport fares. In case you didn’t know, if you have an Oyster card your children can travel all day for a pound. It is fantastic! I am loving the whole Oyster card thing.We only use our car for travelling outside of London but then the train fares robbery is a whole other discussion.If CPZ’s are the answer for some residents, and it seems they are, what controls can we put in place to make it more flexible for visitors and ensure the price doesn’t rocket after the first couple of years? The council are going against the majority to maximise the profit they can make from this – what is to stop them hiking up the cost year on year?

  20. A few things. Firstly in planning CPZ the council must (and I belive is) aware of the consequences on adjacent streets. Living in the Hornsey Lane Gardens/Miltons area we have suffered as a result of the CPZ introduced in Highgate. Many of the people who used to park there now park in our streets. So, whilst there are empty spaces in roads near the station there are fights in the streets here. Secondly, the thought that the problem is down to residents only is just nor correct. We see many many commuters arriving each morning, parking and then walk towards Archway Road and the buses to Archway tube station. I believe then focus should be on stopping the commuter traffic (let them get the tube from where they live in zones 4 or 5 and not drive to Highgate and get the tube from Archway in zone 2) and not penalising the residents. To do this is relatively easy, introduce CPZ for 1 hour in the middle of the day and give resiednts permits for free.Thirdly, let the council make use of the parking areas that they have. Tudour Close, a council estate just off Hornsey Lane Gardens must have 40 or 50 spaces. There is rarely more than 10 cars in their. Because you need a permit to park the friends of the residents (and residents without a permit) park on the street. This is just madness. Before they made the car park residents only there was no problems. Finally, the council should make more efforts to remove uninsured cars and those cars without tax. This would obviouley create more spaces.

  21. To GWI am the person talking about the TFL rip off fares rip off.Sorry – but it is you who has not fully understood the TFL fare structure.That is not surprising – it is a form of confusuion marketing and they have given you and many others the impression that kids can travel round all day for £1. You are wrong!The fares are at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/2006/single/tubedlr-4.shtmlre You are looking at well over £3 per weekday for a child using an Oyster card.The Oyster card is simply not a transparent way of charging for fares. You “charge up” the card and then your journeys use up the credit – without you knowing exactly what you have been charged for any one jouney.

  22. I can’t really claim to have any personal interest in CPZs either way, as I refuse to own a car while I live in London – in my experience it really isn’t necessary. On a theoretical level, though, I have to be in favour of anything that discourages people from unnecessary driving; I think life is made artificially easy for motorists. I’m always a bit surprised at all the furious opposition that greets any suggestion to hold drivers to account for the inconvenience, pollution, and physical danger that cars generate, especially in cities.

  23. I live in the South of the Constituency, within walking distance of Finsbury Park LT Station, and the CPZ has transformed our lives for very little cost. Yes, it is bureaucratic and officious but it has emptied our streets and given us many more opportunities to park outside our houses. More CPZs like mine, I say! But that’s the point, isn’t it? They work for some, not for others. I know of others over the border in Islington who say the same as me, but why impose this repressive regime in quiet streets that don’t suffer from overspill parking? Reduce the bureaucracy, keep the price low (so far OK!). But put them where they’re needed and welcome, not just anywhere the Council can milk for a few dollars more.

  24. I live in Hornsey Lane Gardens, and although I was in favour of the recently introduced CPZ (Highgate Station zone extension, 2 house per day Mon- Fri), I have still been pleasantly surprised at the vast difference it has made. Before it was introduced my visitors couldn’t even park within 10 minutes of our house Monday-Friday, and we ourselves frequently had to park in other roads. This seems to have been due to commuters and people leaving cars unmoved for sometimes months on end. And although some spaces have been lost (round corners etc), this has been mitigated by the fact that residents with driveways who previously couldn’t be bothered to park on them (and used the road instead, therefore using 2 spaces because of the gap left for the drive!) now do park on their driveways. For me, this is a good argument against giving residents free parking permits! The fee seems, frankly, a small price to pay for the alleviation of the parking problems here.